I'm from the UK and would just like to say greetings to all of the UK and US armed forces out there. You have our respect and admiration for what you do out wherever you are - THANK YOU!
BlackJack
12/12/2015
07:42:45
Love that song!!!
bridgechief
11/14/2015
22:27:25
I did not mean to say DA work is the answer, should have said I do not think DA work is the answer.
bridgechief
11/14/2015
18:30:24
Fine if they make it they make don't lower the standard and use the Navy Special Program template, and I believe that is what the Navy is going to do. I just think that the DA work is the answer having worked with and supported all of them. I know woman preform well under pressure and when in contact, training is key, but that is for every one today. The other thing is every one needs to get over woman in combat because they are now and have been. There is no in the rear with gear that much in theater depending on your unit and or task force mission every one is in harms way leave the wire and it is game on. So Direct Combat and Direct Combat support. Not front line this or front line that does not really exists any more. The FEBA and FLOT concept is kind of old school.
Mattie
11/14/2015
18:04:43
I think this is like the exact same argument reworded. Be realistic about this, who are we to stop a prospective green beret or Seal from becoming what they want. We don't own females. Therefore, we should not prevent them from doing whatever the heck they want.
USA11SF
11/14/2015
17:51:48
All the best to my fellow troopers.......not just on Veteran's Day....but all the days of the year.....and especially those whom I served with.
Served in four branches of the US Armed Forces & the New Jersey National Guard:
Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine
USAFSS Yale University IFEL USAFSS 6987th SECURITY SQ USAFSS 6924th SECURITY SQ USNR 3-12th NAVAL SECUITY GROUP USAR 11th SPECIAL FORCES GROUP ABN USMCR Co "G" 2nd BN 25th 4thMarDiv NJNG 3/113th M INF
I never said no woman as I have stated I have seen them and been with them under attack and tacking hits so Inever said they can not. Their have been two woman in this conflict that have recived the Silver star. One in Iraq SGT Hester and she has deployed 4 times and is in a security unit so they are in danger all the time on srcurity missions. The second was a Army Medic who treated several wounded and pulled a 230lb male out of an MRP so yes they can be in combat as I have said combat is a bad term because they are risking that everyday they leave the wire. I know this first hand I am one of those direct combat support guy's. I just think that if we don't talk about it and let it happen because it will their are some that will make it but why to prove a point so are they there for the mission or to make a statement that is were we have a problem. Like I said use the Navy Special Program examples the problem is every one is making it a big deal. The direct action thing has kind of happen with female engagement teams with Marines and SOF. I just know the ones I worked with on the VSP's said they would and could not do that type of shit every day like the ODA/SEAL/75th Rangers were doing. This is were I say day to day do not think they are cut out for it yes some could but would they. As fro Infantry that is also total different ball game. I think they can be tankers/artillery. You are betting up the wrong guy I support the combat thing just think the long term DA stuff is not their cup of tea unless you need it like Female engagement and Civil Affairs. I never said NO just that day to day will kill them. The other guy is the one that said no way that is why I jumped in to let him know that woman are already in combat.
Mattie
11/14/2015
16:14:26
I know plenty of woman who can meet the Pst scores just like that. Now the mental part I'm not to sure of.
Mattie
11/14/2015
16:09:27
See now you're shifting your argument more towards the 'no woman is capable of combat'. Do you have a problem with women who can physically and mentally meet the standards going into active combat roles in the military? I mean sir, to sit there and say that no woman can possibly make it through SF training is complete bull. And I don't buy it. I think you need to consider, if done correctly, what kind of benefits woman in combat roles are able to do.
Lyle N
03/24/2018
15:15:30
Love and respect to all who serve.
Crapitoutjim
11/07/2016
12:22:10
I'm from the UK and would just like to say greetings to all of the UK and US armed forces out there. You have our respect and admiration for what you do out wherever you are - THANK YOU!
BlackJack
12/12/2015
07:42:45
Love that song!!!
bridgechief
11/14/2015
22:27:25
I did not mean to say DA work is the answer, should have said I do not think DA work is the answer.
bridgechief
11/14/2015
18:30:24
Fine if they make it they make don't lower the standard and use the Navy Special Program template, and I believe that is what the Navy is going to do. I just think that the DA work is the answer having worked with and supported all of them. I know woman preform well under pressure and when in contact, training is key, but that is for every one today. The other thing is every one needs to get over woman in combat because they are now and have been. There is no in the rear with gear that much in theater depending on your unit and or task force mission every one is in harms way leave the wire and it is game on. So Direct Combat and Direct Combat support. Not front line this or front line that does not really exists any more. The FEBA and FLOT concept is kind of old school.
Mattie
11/14/2015
18:04:43
I think this is like the exact same argument reworded. Be realistic about this, who are we to stop a prospective green beret or Seal from becoming what they want. We don't own females. Therefore, we should not prevent them from doing whatever the heck they want.
USA11SF
11/14/2015
17:51:48
All the best to my fellow troopers.......not just on Veteran's Day....but all the days of the year.....and especially those whom I served with.
Served in four branches of the US Armed Forces & the New Jersey National Guard:
Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine
USAFSS Yale University IFEL
USAFSS 6987th SECURITY SQ
USAFSS 6924th SECURITY SQ
USNR 3-12th NAVAL SECUITY GROUP
USAR 11th SPECIAL FORCES GROUP ABN
USMCR Co "G" 2nd BN 25th 4thMarDiv
NJNG 3/113th M INF
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bridgechief
11/14/2015
16:54:07
I never said no woman as I have stated I have seen them and been with them under attack and tacking hits so Inever said they can not. Their have been two woman in this conflict that have recived the Silver star. One in Iraq SGT Hester and she has deployed 4 times and is in a security unit so they are in danger all the time on srcurity missions. The second was a Army Medic who treated several wounded and pulled a 230lb male out of an MRP so yes they can be in combat as I have said combat is a bad term because they are risking that everyday they leave the wire. I know this first hand I am one of those direct combat support guy's. I just think that if we don't talk about it and let it happen because it will their are some that will make it but why to prove a point so are they there for the mission or to make a statement that is were we have a problem. Like I said use the Navy Special Program examples the problem is every one is making it a big deal. The direct action thing has kind of happen with female engagement teams with Marines and SOF. I just know the ones I worked with on the VSP's said they would and could not do that type of shit every day like the ODA/SEAL/75th Rangers were doing. This is were I say day to day do not think they are cut out for it yes some could but would they. As fro Infantry that is also total different ball game. I think they can be tankers/artillery. You are betting up the wrong guy I support the combat thing just think the long term DA stuff is not their cup of tea unless you need it like Female engagement and Civil Affairs. I never said NO just that day to day will kill them. The other guy is the one that said no way that is why I jumped in to let him know that woman are already in combat.
Mattie
11/14/2015
16:14:26
I know plenty of woman who can meet the Pst scores just like that. Now the mental part I'm not to sure of.
Mattie
11/14/2015
16:09:27
See now you're shifting your argument more towards the 'no woman is capable of combat'. Do you have a problem with women who can physically and mentally meet the standards going into active combat roles in the military? I mean sir, to sit there and say that no woman can possibly make it through SF training is complete bull. And I don't buy it. I think you need to consider, if done correctly, what kind of benefits woman in combat roles are able to do.